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Admin: I run http://wikipensacola.com. As I look at some of the stuff you are doing, it seems silly to duplicate one another's efforts. There are a few issues I have with your site, though. When I first visited this site you were using a restrictive license, but it appears that you have migrated to GFDL. Is this the case for all content? Secondly, why do you use that weird SWF Flash thing to render article titles? Just to use that font? :-) Wikipens 22:28, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

Also

May I ask what hosting company you are using? Also what version of MediaWiki? And your logo, did you design that, or pull it from somewhere? Wikipens 15:18, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Wasn't sure if you noticed my previous response, but I'm posting answers to these questions on your talk page. --Admin 16:01, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, I noticed. Wikipens 16:18, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Thirdly

I didn't even realise MediaWiki 1.9 was out. Geez.

I am considering merging my project into yours, because as I said, it seems kind-of silly to duplicate our efforts. Firsly, would you have any problem with me doing that?

Secondly, do you have a process for adminning other users? Do you plan on allowing other admins? Wikipens 16:18, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

One more thing: Do you make backups of the database ever? Wikipens 16:54, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
So far, I've done backups whenever I upgrade the MediaWiki software. I suppose that's something I'll need to do more frequently, though. --Admin 17:00, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
Sorry for the endless questions, but I am curious and OCD... Did you try using the logo as the favicon? It looks like it would make a really nice favicon, but too much detail might be lost at 16x16, j/w... Wikipens 17:10, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
Also, you can delete the image I uploaded at Image:Endoftheline.jpg if you like, I am not ready to move the article over, I have to figure out the differences in the google maps extensions our two sites use. Wikipens 17:20, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

Ah ha! I didn't notice that "make a map" link. That makes it a lot more intuitive than the GMaps extension I was using. Mine didn't have the ability to do paths, either. Awesome. Wikipens 20:30, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

24 March

I have responded to you on my talk page. Also, I tried to insert route number (Florida 289) into the infobox code for the 9th Avenue article, but it is not displaying, would you mind taking a look at that? I am not good with conditionals. Wikipens 12:19, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

I'm fairly certain the problem is entirely my fault. (I'm not good with conditionals either.) The Wikipedia road infobox I copied had all kinds of extra parameters for cross-country highways that I omitted, and some of the output fields were probably lost in the process. I'll look into it. --Admin 13:29, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
Cool. I was using barebones infoboxes on my project that just had params w/o conditionals. Conditionals are useful but confusing as hell. As far as the addresses thing we talked about on my talk page, that works for me. I'd just like a place to put that info, like what business used to be in a particular building, etc. and it doesn't seem fitting to put it in the article for the current occupant. I'm definitely not advocating we have articles for every podunk address in the city with content like "My uncle Jim lives here", etc. As far as the adminship, thanks a bunch. If I make any edits to articles you started, stylistic or otherwise, that you disagree with, feel free to revert me or bring it up with me on my talk page. Wikipens 14:38, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
Lolz thanks for correcting my redirect. Wikipens 18:22, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Name change

Hey, do you know how/have the ability to change a username or reassign edits to another username. I don't really want this username, I picked it before I really committed to migrating my content to your site. Wikipens 18:24, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

I think there's an extension I can install to do this. Create the username you want and let me know. --Admin 19:46, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
I would appreciate it if you could. I created user User:DCosson. Wikipens 08:14, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Hey, I really like this Idea...

I found Pensapedia through a talk page on wikipedia, and I really love the idea. I got an account a few days ago, and began editing when I got the time, and I think I got a lot done, albeit haphazardly I suppose. I was just sort of operating on the principal that "whatever I'm about to do is better than no article on this particular subject" I guess. The issue of the CMPA is pretty...fuzzy. The CMPA board has only been in existence for several months, however CMPA, Inc. has been around for several years now. And of course now Quint Studer no longer has any sort of official position in the CMPA. Maybe we could clarify in the article that Community Maritime Park Associates developed the idea for the CMP, instead of simply saying "developed."

Sorry about the vague categories, again, I think I may have been getting a little carried away.

Anyway, this is a wonderful idea and I'll do what I can to help. Thanks a bunch for getting the ball rolling on something like this.

Pat O'Sullivan 01:57, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

New username

Lolz I thought so but no big deal. Can you try User:Dcosson? That should be okay as the "C" is not capitalised as it is in the one I created. Wikipens 10:49, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Park-stub and park infobox

Hey. I could do the stub I guess, but we need park stub and park infobox templates established. :-) dcosson ··· talk 12:40, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

There's an infobox template for parks already: {{Infobox Park}}. See Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Infobox_Park for some examples. There's no stub yet, but I guess you could use {{Comm-stub}} for now. --Admin 12:46, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
OK, yay! dcosson ··· talk 12:53, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Road infobox

Hey, I figured out why the road infobox isn't allowing the route field to be populated. It's the section {{#if:{{{state|}}}| {{!}}colspan="2" align="center"{{!}}'''<big>{{infobox road/{{{state}}} {{{type}}} name|num={{{route}}}}}</big>'''. The Wikipedia template accounts for subtemplates ("Infobox road/state"). At some point (whenever you get around to it), can you strip this section and replace it with a field which is just "Route" for the title and allows me to input route shield images as the content? dcosson ··· talk 15:31, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

Recent changes question

You probably know more about mediawiki than I do, I was wondering about something in recent changes: (diff) (hist) . . User talk:Admin‎; 20:31 . . (+651) . . Dcosson (Talk | contribs | block) (Road infobox) Do you know what the + number means? I've highlighted it above. dcosson ··· talk 15:42, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

I believe that's the size difference between revisions in number of characters.--Admin 15:43, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

number of articles on main page

Just out of curiosity, any particular reason you disabled the display of the total number of articles on the main page? You've added a display:none; parameter to the div that contains {{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]. dcosson ··· talk 18:07, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

April 2

Might I just inquire as to your source for the date of the Saenger opening? dcosson ··· talk 09:33, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

This article at pensacolasaenger.com. --Admin 09:59, 26 March 2007 (CDT)

Copyright

I see that you've migrated to a free license for contributions, which is nice. Thank you for doing that. It's only fair, after all :) --wikipedia:User:Disavian


William Alexander Blount, Sr.

Great article... can't believe there's no picture of Blount on the interwebs. I've looked everywhere. dcosson ··· talk 09:59, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Nah man that's awesome! dcosson ··· talk 14:58, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
I saw you uploaded a pic of Francis Celestino Brent. Did you have your eyes on that article? I was going to tackle it pretty soon but it's yours if you want. dcosson ··· talk 14:59, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

Wikilinks in infoboxes

Do you not like wikilinks in infoboxes? I noticed you de-wikilinked a bunch of things in the San Carlos Hotel infobox. dcosson ··· talk 23:27, 31 March 2007 (CDT)

New Images

Awesome high quality images. Are you digitizing these? I haven't been able to find anything this high-quality online. dcosson ··· talk 09:01, 3 April 2007 (CDT)

Server load

I've noticed the site is lagging some, sometimes. If you need to cut down on the filesize of some of the imagees I have uploaded, feel free. I know some were unnecessarily high-res. Anything I can do to help, let me know. I do have some server space that I was using for my wikipensacola site, if there is any way you think we could use that let me know. dcosson ··· talk 23:59, 4 April 2007 (CDT)

Notability

Evening:

I've added three short articles on people whom are not necessarily notable in and of themselves (all children of Augustus E. Maxwell): Lucy Maxwell Meade, Simeon Maxwell II, and John E. Maxwell. I want to get your take on them.

Personally, I think such articles are good. They may encourage genealogists to contribute something. But if you don't want to go down that road, I'd understand. So what do you think? dcosson ··· talk 21:44, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

The Circle

Admin: do you know definitively what part of town was historically referred to as "the circle"? I've been wanting to do an article on it but I am not sure... one source I saw said Martine's Restaurant was nearby... and then another said the Firehouse Drive-In was nearby but it was my understanding that was on Gregory St... I know Circle Donuts is over near Lillian Hwy/Mobile Hwy/New Warrington... is that it, or do you know? dcosson ··· talk 20:44, 17 April 2007 (CDT)

Pensapedia:Uploading images

Take a look at Pensapedia:Uploading images if you would and give me your feedback. I think I've put together a decent page, for starters. dcosson ··· talk 19:45, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

Cleanup

Looks like you're having to clean up after me. Sorry! Couldn't resist. dcosson ··· talk 13:23, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

No worries. The DNS kept going back and forth for me, which was annoying, but everything seems to be stable now. Enjoy the speed of the new dedicated server!--Admin 13:31, 19 May 2007 (CDT)
Cool. Pages are serving pretty quickly. dcosson ··· talk 14:01, 19 May 2007 (CDT)

Would like another voice

Joe, if you can, could you direct your attention to Category talk:Peninsulas of Florida, Category talk:2007, and Category talk:Lighthouses. dcosson ··· talk 18:39, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

Historic Pensacola

Accidentally discovered this pedia doing Google searching, and wish I'd run across it earlier. I'm working on the Wikipedia National Register of Historic Places Project, particularly Florida, since that's where I live. Ironically, I took a trip up thru the panhandle last weekend, and spent a good part of Saturday in Pensacola and took lots of pics. Then I find that you've shot a bunch of the places on my list. My goal, btw, is to get shots of all the NRHPs in Florida. If I can figure how to transfer some of yours to Wikipedia, I'd love to, so as to get some of the stuff I missed. And maybe talk you into getting a pic or two of some of the ones I missed? Anyway, good luck with this project. You can contact me, if you'd like, at User talk:Ebyabe. :) --71.1.155.140 20:58, 28 March 2008 (CDT)

Mike Whitehead's license plate

Did you know that Mike Whitehead has a license plate that says "COMISH1"?[1] Hahahahaha. I don't know how I don't know that, but it's so incredible believable! dscosson ··· talk 09:08, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

Yeah, I've seen him driving around with that. Pretty goofy... --Admin 10:22, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

Notability

FYI, I responded re notability at Talk:Briton Smith. I know with all the edits I'm doing it's probably impossible to notice in the RC. dscosson ··· talk 11:56, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

Requesting input

@ Talk:Deaths in 2007. dscosson ··· talk 13:32, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

Business and restaurant templates

Hey, when you have time, is there any way we could get the "Hours of Operation" and "Telephone" items from Template:Infobox Business into Template:Infobox Restaurant? I would like that a lot. dscosson ··· talk 10:37, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

Never mind. I am dumb, dumb, dumb. dscosson ··· talk 10:41, 14 April 2008 (CDT)

Talk:High School No. 1

Check out Talk:High School No. 1 when you have a minute. dscosson ··· talk 12:00, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

Pensacola police photos

At [2], a bit down the page under "Pensacola Police of the Past", there are five PPD photos... the first two are c. 1890s and I have uploaded them as PD-old. Of the latter three, the third's date is unknown; the fourth is from 1938, and the fifth is from 1952. The alt comments for the images state they are courtesy of the Pensacola Police Department. Would you gander then that the PPD is copyright holder? Do you know if they are eligible to hold copyright? dscosson ··· talk 12:08, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

Works of the federal are generally free to use, but the PPD wouldn't fall under that. From here:

3.1.3 Does 17 USC §10560 apply to works of State and Local Governments?
No, it applies only to federal government works. State and local governments may and often do claim copyright in their publications. It is their prerogative to set policies that may allow, require, restrict or prohibit claim of copyright on some or all works produced by their government units.

So I think we should probably get permission. --Admin 12:20, 25 April 2008 (CDT)
...That being said, obviously I've taken a pretty liberal interpretation of fair use in the images I've uploaded, so what do I know? We can always remove them if someone complains. --Admin 15:07, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

Talk:Clara Barkley Dorr

Check out Talk:Clara Barkley Dorr when you have a chance. Also, did you ever check out Talk:High School No. 1? dscosson ··· talk 13:29, 27 April 2008 (CDT)

Date articles

Hey, man... in the date articles you've edited, you're moving the "Events" sections above the "Births" sections... and changing & nbsp;s to regular dashes. Any particular reason lol? Just wondering. dscosson ··· talk 12:36, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

The Events before Births thing wasn't intentional... just couldn't remember which we've been putting first, or if we had a rule about that. You prefer Births first? As for the dashes, I usually don't bother with the &ndash; code. I just type in the character like I would in a word processor (option-hyphen on my Mac)... is MediaWiki not translating it the right way?
coded in typed in
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On a related note, you can see the new right and left arrows in the {{date}} template, right? (Just January so far.) --Admin 12:52, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

I can see the arrows, yes. For me at least, MediaWiki is rendering what you are putting in as regular dashes. Not a big deal, I prefer n-dashes though, lol. I don't mind you not using them, but do you mind if I correct them? Haha. And I do prefer the order of "Births", "Deaths", "Events", but more for standardisation than for preference. As long as they are all in some standard format, I don't care as much what it is. dscosson ··· talk 15:20, 5 June 2008 (CDT)
Nah, I don't mind if you change them. That's weird that they're not rendering as proper n-dashes. I'll start doing the coded forms, I guess. Births -> Deaths -> Events is also fine with me, and I'll try to remember that when I get some time to do the other 11 months. --Admin 15:41, 5 June 2008 (CDT)
I can help you out with the month things, if you like. dscosson ··· talk 19:47, 5 June 2008 (CDT)
By all means! --Admin 20:30, 5 June 2008 (CDT)

Template:Disputed

When you have a moment, can you port Template:Disputed from Wikipedia? I am too stupid. If you do, let me know so I can apply it to Thomas Everett Welles. dscosson ··· talk 19:30, 15 June 2008 (CDT)

You bet. Was out of town this weekend, but I'll get to it sometime today. --Admin 07:26, 16 June 2008 (CDT)

John Cavanaugh

Can you fix the succession box on John Cavanaugh? I'm too stupid. dscosson ··· talk 09:07, 14 July 2008 (CDT)

No prob. It's a different template; I usually just copy-paste from a former politician. --Admin 09:46, 14 July 2008 (CDT)

Templates

Thanks, but where do I copy the code to?

Sethisodd 21:03, 4 August 2008 (CDT)

Response: The reason it isn't sufficient is because I wanted to incorporate some politically specific information into the Infobox, thus requiring the Officeholder template.

My Talk

I don't know if you get notifications that I responded to you on my talk, so I'm telling you here that I did. Sethisodd 14:50, 23 August 2008 (CDT)

Google Maps

What do we need to do to make the articles with Google Maps have transparent overlays again? I tried to figure it out on my own, but I'm too dumb. Looks like there's a longer hex code or something? dscosson ··· talk 17:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Haha, I don't know either. I'll try to figure out how it comes up with the new code for color, line width & fill opacity. In the meantime, I think if you click the Editors Map button on a page that already has a map, it will load the existing map and show the converted code. Then maybe you can copy-paste into the article? — admin • talk  23:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Yep, that works. dscosson ··· talk 23:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

14 Sept 2008

See Image:CervantesSt1954.jpg. Plucked it out of the FPC. Attached comment is: "Cervantes Street in Pensacola. Looking east at the intersection of Cervantes Street and US 90 along proposed project." Do you think then that this is where Cervantes transitions to Mobile Highway in Brownsville? I am not sure. dscosson ··· talk 16:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Please see also Talk:Temple Beth-El. dscosson ··· talk 19:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

See Image talk:CervantesSt1954.jpg. All the recent photos are great, by the way. — admin • talk  15:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Two recent additions

I am going to leave it to you to address the notability of the two recent non-me, non-you contributions. dscosson ··· talk 15:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah... I may clean them up a bit, but I think I'll allow 'em. — admin • talk  16:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Cordova

See Talk:Cordova when you have a minute. dscosson ··· talk 13:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Template talk:Penscitygovt

See Template talk:Penscitygovt. dscossontalk 19:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Sig transparencies

See Image talk:FCbrent-sig.jpg and Image talk:AMAvery-sig.jpg. There is also Image talk:GWWright-sig.jpg, Image talk:Welles-sig.jpg, Image talk:JSReese-sig.jpg and Image talk:MallorySignature.jpg but the backgrounds are not white or not totally white so I don't know if you can do that so easily. dscossontalk 19:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you do your magic on Image:Bdwright-sig.PNG? — dscossontalk  20:59, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Done. — admin • talk  21:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

See this

Whenever I want to draw your attention somewhere, I am just going to add it under this header instead of making a new header each time. If that's okay.

Anyway, I don't know how you are with Spanish, but take a look at Talk:Pintado plan if you get a minute. dscossontalk 22:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I keep pretty well abreast of the changes made via the RSS feed, so you probably don't need to put notice here unless I haven't responded in a day or so; the talk page for the article(s) in question should be fine. — admin • talk  14:22, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Google Maps Street View

ZOMGZOMGZOMGZOMGZOMGZOMG Google Maps has gone live with Street View in Pensacola finallllllllllllly! Look! my house! There has got to be a way to embed this! — dscossontalk  16:56, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the <googlemaps> extension we have now supports it, but it looks like there's another extension I can install to use this "widget" for Street View integration. — admin • talk  19:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Well... don't trouble yourself... but it would be reallllllllly cool to be able to do something like that... very illustrative! Haha, I have spent the last two or three hours perusing Pensacola on it! It's so convenient! — dscossontalk  19:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Testing... This bookmarklet widget should help with getting map data. You can drag into your broswer's links/bookmarks bar. Google Maps Widget — admin • talk  17:26, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure how the bookmarklet works... could be an Internet Explorer thing. But the widget itself seems to be working. — admin • talk  17:47, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, that is cool. Bookmarklets don't work in MSIE. — dscossontalk  20:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I guess there is no way to remove the zoom controls? Oh well. Also -- this would be cool to put into the image field on infoboxes, but it's not really feasible because the template has the image code precoded into it, so it leaves code on the finished template. We'll figure something out. — dscossontalk  20:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

113 North C Street

Do you know what this large abandoned building is at 113 North C Street? My guess is a school but I don't know. — dscossontalk  16:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's the old Blount Junior High School built in 1937 (expanded from the earlier Lockley Elementary School built in 1915). Closed around '82, it was purchased from the school district by Frank McGinley for about $5000 "as-is." McGinley was going to turn it into retirement apartments and spent about $250k removing asbestos and fixing it up, and even lived in it for a while, but ran out of money. After Hurricane Ivan some investors bought the property for $400k. Source: "'Dinosaur' of an old school becomes home to ex-student." Pensacola News Journal, May 10, 2006. — admin • talk  17:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
It's really beautiful. I discovered it haphazardly while canvassing during the election but didn't have time to linger. I went back by yesterday. I really, really hope someone manages to salvage it, but it looks like it's in pretty bad shape. I'm going to work up an article, do you have a way to forward me that PNJ article? Also, it's named after A.C., not W.A. Blount, right? — dscossontalk  17:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind on the name, it's W. A. after all. — dscossontalk  18:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. If it's not too much trouble, could you also get me the article “Blount a prestigious name from city’s past,” by Mary Dawkins, in the August 21, 1999 PNJ? — dscossontalk  18:12, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not finding any article with that name, or anything similar on that date. Where did you find the citation? — admin • talk  18:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
This link, footnote #13. — dscossontalk  18:35, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
That's weird. There are a lot of great articles by that author as part of the "Millennium March" series, but I'm not finding one for Blount. Maybe it wasn't digitally archived? Microfilm should have it. — admin • talk  18:46, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
No biggie. Surprised that there is so little online information about it though. — dscossontalk  18:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh mah god

So, I'm going through Bliss magazines, right, and I stumble across the most racist thing ever. It's a picture of a black man, eating oysters, with the caption, "If you want to see a happy darky just watch one eat oysters on the seashore."

Oh mah god! — dscossontalk  23:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Yikes... Unfortunately that's not nearly the 'most racist thing even' to happen in Pensacola. Hell, Bliss was probably pretty progressive for his time. — admin • talk  23:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, but ugh! I'm going to delete the image, it's so weird. — dscossontalk  23:41, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Category question

Category:Druggists or Category:Pharmacists? — dscossontalk  21:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Papa Wikipedia uses "Category:Pharmacists." That's what I'd go with. — admin • talk  22:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Boooooooooring. — dscossontalk  23:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Sortable tables

Hey, if you get bored sometime, do you think you could try to implement Wikipedia's sortable tables? — dscossontalk  17:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Ooh, neat! Yeah, I'll take a look. — admin • talk  17:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Aerial images

I have obtained from the UF Libraries a total of 1,885 high-resolution aerial images dating from 1940-1965. I don't know exactly what to do with them. I don't guess I should upload them all because they're huge. Even after converting them to JPEG at 80% quality they're still 2+ MB each, which works out to 3+ GB. They're pretty awesome though. Whaddya think, just upload individual images when they're something noteworthy in the image? — dscossontalk  16:47, 5 April 2009 (CDT)

Wow, that's fantastic! We could make room for them all, but navigation could get tricky. I'd say start with the ones that go with articles or that have clearly identifiable features in them. — admin • talk  17:07, 5 April 2009 (CDT)
Yeah. Well I thought of doing it kind of like you did the Sanborn maps, and separating them either by year or by flight (for example, 1940 has like 9 different flights). But even then having them all on the same page would be cumbersome probably. I'll start using them here and there like I've done in Port of Pensacola. These images are really awesome and document growth like nothing else. If you'd like to go through them, 'll burn you a DVD sometime. — dscossontalk  17:17, 5 April 2009 (CDT)

"Confederate"

Mon ami, tied for second at Special:WantedPages is Confederate. What do you think we should do with that? Redirect it to some sort of article specifically about the Confederacy in Pensacola? Replace said links with interwiki links to Wikipedia's Confederacy article? Redirect to Civil War? Any thoughts? — dscossontalk  13:35, 11 May 2009 (CDT)

I was thinking that it would eventually have its own article about the Confederate presence in Pensacola, maybe a list of officers, etc. But I'd be fine if it redirects to Civil War till we get around to it. — admin • talk  14:02, 11 May 2009 (CDT)

Table Help?

Hey there. I wanted to use something similar to a succession table on Pensacola High School to put the most recent valedictorian and then the one before him/her. I also wanted to do something similar for the salutatorian. So basically it'd be the title in the middle, i.e. Valedictorian, and then on the left it'd have 2008's valedictorian or something and then 2009's on the right, and it could be updated yearly. Then we could somehow link the title to a list of all of the past valedictorians and a list of all past salutatorians or something like that. I can go ahead and work on the list now, and feel free to make suggestions as to the format of the table. I just didn't know the easiest way to do it. Sethisodd 22:06, 27 June 2009 (CDT)